Johnny Depp

The actor describes his childhood of physical abuse as he takes the stand in a Virginia court.

And generally it was me," he said. On Monday, a nurse who was hired to treat Mr Depp's drug addiction and attended the couple's wedding testified that she witnessed Ms Heard "try to instigate" conflict with her former husband on several occasions. The jury has heard evidence presented by the celebrity ex-couple's former therapist, who described how Mr Depp and Ms Heard engaged in "mutual abuse", as well as from medical workers who treated Mr Depp as he was detoxing himself from opiates. Mr Depp began his testimony saying that Ms Heard's claims are "not based in any species of the truth". The trial has focused so far on Mr Depp's demeanour and whether he was ever verbally or physically abusive towards Ms Heard. Lawyers for Mr Depp have accused his ex-wife, an actress, of giving the "performance of her life" in her descriptions of alleged abuse. "I never struck Ms Heard in that way, nor have I struck any woman in my life," he testified, adding that "her accusations sort of permeated the industry".

'Within a year, a year and a half, she had become another person almost,' actor says of ex-wife.

He said it “became a regular thing” for Ms Heard to take his shoes off when he came home from work and give him a glass of wine. I think it was an easy target for her to hit,” Mr Depp said from the witness stand. In her 2018 op-ed, Ms Heard partly wrote that “like many women, I had been harassed and sexually assaulted by the time I was of college age. Mr Depp’s father told him that he had had enough, adding “you’re the man now”. He added that she grew up in eastern Kentucky, an area where you lived in “shacks”. Mr Depp said she “hated” his father’s “refined” parents. “You don’t have to stick the coat hanger in the electrical socket.” “She had the ability to be as cruel as anyone can be,” Mr Depp said, noting that this also affected his siblings and father. “Since I knew there was no truth to it whatsoever, I felt it was my responsibility to stand up – not only for myself in that instance but stand up for my children, who at the time were 14 and 16,” Mr Depp continued. “He remained a gentleman.” “He’s a good man.” The parents’ relationship finally came to an end when Mr Depp was 15. Generally, it was me”.

Depp and Heard are both in court as the actor accuses his ex-wife of defamation over an article in which she referred to experiences of domestic abuse.

sometimes you’re trying to find the best way to express something to a friend, and you’re exaggerating just to make him understand that I’m on planet question mark here.” I tend to be quite expressive in my writing, and after the unfortunate words of Ms Heard made their way into my heart and head… He said: “The text messages that I apologise everyone’s had to experience, I am ashamed of some of the references made. Referring to his ex-wife, the actor said: “In the beginning of my relationship with Ms Heard, it was as if she was too good to be true. The only thing one could do, really, was try to stay out the line of fire.” He told the court: “Ms Heard made some quite heinous and disturbing criminal (allegations) against me that were not based in any species of truth.

Johnny Depp began his testimony by admitting he and Amber Heard argued during their relationship but said he "never" reached the point of hitting her - and ...

Fairfax County state court judge Penney Azcarate is overseeing the trial, which is in its second week and is expected to last for six weeks in total, with a week's break in May. Witnesses called by Depp's lawyers so far have included the actor's sister, friends, and a doctor and a nurse who said they treated him for substance abuse. "It does mean you have to think creatively when you have little kids on how to take them to the park or the swings. an easy target for [Heard]". He continued: "I am not some maniac who needs to be high or loaded all the time." "It never had to go in this direction," he said. The column did not mention Depp by name, but was titled: "I spoke up against sexual violence - and faced our culture's wrath." Endless." would think that I was a fraud and had lied to them". "I've had worse jobs... "I didn't deserve that. I pride myself on honesty and truth. "I felt it was my responsibility to clear my name and my children of this horrid thing that they were having to read about their father," he said.

Johnny Depp said that he has never 'struck any woman' in his life, as his court case against ex-wife Amber Heard continued.

On truth. ‘I pride myself on honesty… He said that the reason he brought the suit is because he has a ‘responsibility’ to clear his name, and that his ‘goal is to tell the truth’.

Star talks about the fame that came with Pirates Of The Caribbean franchise.

“After Pirates 1 came out it was a completely different way of life my family and I were being plunged into,” he said. On one occasions he got home and Heard was busy so he took off his own boots and noticed Heard approached “with this look on her face” and asked why he did that and said that was her job. Speaking of the character Depp said, “It’s like making a soup… Asked about his career Depp said he fell into acting after he initially moved to Los Angeles with a band and their ambitions floundered. She has alleged he has hit her, chocked her and once sexually assaulted her while the then couple were in Australia in 2015. Depp recalled his abusive childhood in Kentucky when his mother would beat him with a high-heeled shoe and throw things at him.

Depp, 58, alleges Heard, 35, defamed him when she penned a December 2018 opinion piece in the Washington Post about being a survivor of domestic abuse.

Depp dismisses Heard's abuse allegations as a 'hoax' and claims he was actually the victim of her violence. Depp and Heard reach a $7 million divorce settlement which the actress promises to give to charity. On one of the sides of his face and the cheek area' 'Two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture's wrath for women who speak out,' reads the headline. Depp's lawyers have said they filed the case in Fairfax County, outside the District of Columbia, because the newspaper is printed at a facility there. Heard accused Depp of domestic abuse after filing for divorce in 2016. It was a quiet plane, all of a sudden it got very loud. But he didn’t. He was able to maintain his calm and his composure and his relationship with his children. 'About six years ago Miss Heard made some quite heinous and disturbing criminal acts against me that were not based in any species of truth,' Depp said. I thought that was a cowardly way for my father to have left. 'There were a couple of times it got too far I could see his eyes welling up as he was staring at her saying nothing. 'Verbal abuse, the psychological abuse was almost worse than the beatings,' Depp added.

Actor Johnny Depp took the witness stand Tuesday in his legal battle against his former wife Amber Heard, whom he accuses of lying about his abusing her ...

Heard was granted a protective order in May 2016 after she alleged that Depp hit her in the face with a cellphone. Anderson said Depp told her that Heard “gave as good as she got.” He said he detoxed from the drug prior to his relationship with Heard. During cross-examination, Anderson clarified that her understanding was that Heard “fought back” after Depp became physical. Depp addressed Heard's allegations regarding substance abuse, saying he began taking his mother's "nerve pills" at the age of 11 and proceeded to self-medicate with substances over the years as a coping mechanism for trauma. Little time was spent on his relationship with Heard, who he felt was the perfect partner for him at the beginning of their relationship. "Because I've never appeared loaded or high or any of that ... no one would have ever known." "Then you started to notice other little tidbits and things that come out," Depp said. Anderson also testified that Heard, in a session conducted separately from her husband, said Depp hit her and that she showed her bruises. Although the article never mentions Depp by name, his attorneys said it indirectly refers to allegations she made against him during their 2016 divorce. The trial in Fairfax County, Virginia, is expected to take weeks. Depp told the court Tuesday that he was "obsessed with the truth" and, though he argued with his ex-wife, he never hit Heard.

Heard countersued her ex-husband for double the amount, accusing him of allegedly orchestrating a “smear campaign” against her and describing his own lawsuit as ...

Start your Independent Premium subscription today. Heard filed for divorce from Depp the following year when she sought a domestic violence restraining order, accusing Depp of abusing her. Proceedings started on 11 April with jury selection, as seven jurors and four alternates were picked.

The Pirates of the Caribbean actor is suing Amber Heard for more than $50 million, saying her claims of domestic abuse have harmed his career and ...

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The actor said his 'substance abuse' had been 'grossly embellished' by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were 'plainly false'.

“I pride myself on honesty… on truth. At the start of his evidence the actor said he was “obsessed with truth” and that he “did not deserve” to have the “heinous and disturbing” allegations levelled at him. The actor said had initially thought his relationship with Ms Heard had been “too good to be true” but had noticed things that “might be a bit of a dilemma at some point”. Mr Depp also admitted that he was “ashamed and embarrassed” by text messages he had sent previously, which contained abuse directed at Ms Heard, saying that in the “heat of the moment” he had gone to “dark places”. The actor said his “substance abuse” had been “grossly embellished” by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were “plainly false.”

Mr Depp paid Ms Heard $7m as part of the divorce agreement, which was finalised in January 2017. The Pirates of the Caribbean star filed the lawsuit in March ...

He said it “became a regular thing” for Ms Heard to take his shoes off when he came home from work and give him a glass of wine. I think it was an easy target for her to hit,” Mr Depp said from the witness stand. He added that she grew up in eastern Kentucky, an area where you lived in “shacks”. Mr Depp said she “hated” his father’s “refined” parents. Mr Depp’s father told him that he had had enough, adding “you’re the man now”. “You don’t have to stick the coat hanger in the electrical socket.” “She had the ability to be as cruel as anyone can be,” Mr Depp said, noting that this also affected his siblings and father. “Since I knew there was no truth to it whatsoever, I felt it was my responsibility to stand up – not only for myself in that instance but stand up for my children, who at the time were 14 and 16,” Mr Depp continued. “He remained a gentleman.” During the opening statements, Ms Heard’s lawyer Ben Rottenborn claimed that Ms Heard was the victim of abuse “took many forms” such as emotionally, physically, and psychologically. Mr Depp’s sister and personal manager, Christi Dembrowski, was the first person to testify in support of the actor. “Amber did suffer sexual violence at the hands of Depp,” Mr Rottenborn claimed. While she didn’t mention Mr Depp by name, the news of their divorce had been a frequent story over the previous two years.

The actor told a Virginia courtroom that his former wife Amber Heard was bringing 'heinous and disturbing' allegations against him.

I said ‘goodbye pop’ and that was it until I learned the truth.” which was to do the opposite of what they did,” he said. “It was a complete shock… “I pride myself on honesty… Mr Depp said he had initially thought his relationship with Ms Heard had been “too good to be true” but had noticed things that “might be a bit of a dilemma at some point”. on truth.

FAIRFAX, Va. (AP) — Actor Johnny Depp told jurors Tuesday that he felt compelled to sue his ex-wife Amber Heard for libel out of an obsession for the truth ...

In the article, Heard referred to herself as a “public figure representing domestic abuse.” And he admitted to taking many substances “over the years to numb myself of the ghosts, the wraiths that were still with me from my youth.” “The characterization of my ‘substance abuse’ that’s been delivered by Ms. Heard is grossly embellished,” Depp said. He also said he took his mother’s “nerve pills” when he was a kid. Meanwhile, jurors have seen text messages in which Depp used vulgar language to describe Heard and spelled out his desire to get revenge against her. So far, Depp's friends, family and employees have testified that Heard was the aggressor in the relationship, physically attacking him on multiple occasions. When he became a father, Depp said, he made sure his children didn’t experience that kind of upbringing. After one long answer, he admitted: “I forgot what the original question was.” She was kind. She was smart. It’s very strange when one day you’re Cinderella, so to speak, and then in 0.6 seconds you’re Quasimodo.” “She was loving.

The actor said his 'substance abuse' had been 'grossly embellished' by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were 'plainly false'.

“I pride myself on honesty… on truth. At the start of his evidence the actor said he was “obsessed with truth” and that he “did not deserve” to have the “heinous and disturbing” allegations levelled at him. The actor said had initially thought his relationship with Ms Heard had been “too good to be true” but had noticed things that “might be a bit of a dilemma at some point”. Mr Depp also admitted that he was “ashamed and embarrassed” by text messages he had sent previously, which contained abuse directed at Ms Heard, saying that in the “heat of the moment” he had gone to “dark places”. The actor said his “substance abuse” had been “grossly embellished” by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were “plainly false.”

Johnny Depp, 58, said he broke Amber Heard's rules of routine by taking off his own boots rather than wait for her to remove them and give him a glass of ...

I thought that was a cowardly way for my father to have left. I took her car and drove to my father’s work and sat down in front of him at 15. 'The psychological abuse was almost worse than the beatings,' Depp added. Johnny said he 'felt something he should not have felt' during a kissing scene in the movie 'Talk to them, if you understand the repercussions of something you won’t go there…give this some thought. She walked in the door and stopped and walked around, she felt something. It can tend to get into…words are used for emphasis and words are used to express what you’re feeling at the time. Johnny Depp gestures while giving testimony during the trial. ‘I’m ashamed of some of the references made. I never wanted to tell my kids no. 'Then she said "Let me get you a glass of wine." He said: ‘I’ve never taken any substance for a party.

The actor describes his childhood of physical abuse as he takes the stand in a Virginia court.

And generally it was me," he said. On Monday, a nurse who was hired to treat Mr Depp's drug addiction and attended the couple's wedding testified that she witnessed Ms Heard "try to instigate" conflict with her former husband on several occasions. The jury has heard evidence presented by the celebrity ex-couple's former therapist, who described how Mr Depp and Ms Heard engaged in "mutual abuse", as well as from medical workers who treated Mr Depp as he was detoxing himself from opiates. Mr Depp began his testimony saying that Ms Heard's claims are "not based in any species of the truth". The trial has focused so far on Mr Depp's demeanour and whether he was ever verbally or physically abusive towards Ms Heard. Lawyers for Mr Depp have accused his ex-wife, an actress, of giving the "performance of her life" in her descriptions of alleged abuse. "I never struck Ms Heard in that way, nor have I struck any woman in my life," he testified, adding that "her accusations sort of permeated the industry".

Johnny Depp and Amber Heard's defamation trial has exposed the darker and parasitic side of movie stardom.

In one message to Baruch, Depp lamented that “that c— ruined such a f—ing cool life we had for a while.” In its early days, the trial has felt like sifting through the wreckage of a royal court after its ruler has been deposed. For her part, Heard framed her 2018 op-ed as a lesson in power. But after Depp lost a similar case in London in 2020, his public reputation — and career — are in tatters. The goal was to explain Depp’s instinct to hide from conflict. Depp is suing his ex-wife, Amber Heard, for $50 million for describing herself as a “public figure representing domestic abuse” in a 2018 Washington Post opinion piece.

Ms Heard is being sued by Mr Depp for implying in a 2018 Washington Post column that he abused her, which Mr Depp said damaged his career even though she did ...

The star said from the witness stand that his drug and alcohol use had been “an easy target” for the actress to hit after their marriage ultimately broke down. Because once you have trusted somebody for a certain amount of years and you have told them all the secrets of your life, that information can then, of course, be used against you.” Start your Independent Premium subscription today. The actor said that he and Ms Heard had locked lips in a scene in which she walked in on him in the shower. I just thought ‘Yep she could definitely kill me, that’s who Hunter wants.’” “It has never been for the party effect, it has been trying to numb the things inside that have, that can plague someone who has experienced trauma,” he told the court in Virginia.

The actor said his 'substance abuse' had been 'grossly embellished' by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were 'plainly false'.

“I pride myself on honesty… on truth. At the start of his evidence the actor said he was “obsessed with truth” and that he “did not deserve” to have the “heinous and disturbing” allegations levelled at him. The actor said had initially thought his relationship with Ms Heard had been “too good to be true” but had noticed things that “might be a bit of a dilemma at some point”. Mr Depp also admitted that he was “ashamed and embarrassed” by text messages he had sent previously, which contained abuse directed at Ms Heard, saying that in the “heat of the moment” he had gone to “dark places”. The actor said his “substance abuse” had been “grossly embellished” by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were “plainly false.”

Johnny Depp reveals childhood abuse from 'violent' and 'cruel' mother as he speaks on substance abuse in Amber Heard trial.

You learn to deal with it. You learn to accept it. The physical pain, you learn to deal with. ‘In our house, we were never exposed to any type of safety or security. ‘She could become quite violent and she was quite violent, and she was quite cruel. ‘She was very unpredictable.

No film has been sillier, bloodier or Nic Cage-ier than John Woo's 1997 classic. As the movie closes in on its 25th anniversary – and is parodied in Cage's ...

“In a way, Nic had a tougher acting job,” says Mike Werb. “When Nic was Sean Archer, he had to act like he’s Castor Troy but the humanity of Sean Archer has to bleed through at all times.” The implausibilities, though, are undoubtedly the fun of Face/Off. Released on 27 June 1997, Face/Off was a box office hit – making $245m (£187m) from a budget of $80m – and a critical success. The organising principle of the story, say Colleary and Werb, was that these mortal enemies became “better people in each other’s lives than they were in their own”. See Troy, in the guise of Archer, being a more attentive husband to Archer’s neglected wife (Joan Allen) and an unlikely mentor to Archer’s rebellious daughter (Dominique Swain). See Archer, in the guise of Troy, becoming a father to Troy’s abandoned five-year-old son. They told him: “John, you are famously one of the most handsome people on Earth. But right now, you are Nic Cage! And Nic Cage as Castor Troy is a total narcissist – nobody is better-looking than he is!” Still, for all the character nuance – balanced out with Cage’s devilish mania – Face/Off was prime action fodder for Woo, a director who likes to turn up the action as he shoots; to throw big explosions against the wall and see what sticks. “We were astounded by how bad some of these action films were,” says Werb. “The bad guy was always nude in a hotel, doing one-armed push ups and plotting to take over the world.” See Die Hard 2 – big on nude workouts and devious plotting. They could play with the stars’ well-known personas, such as Stallone saying “I’ll be back” with a giant-elbowed nudge and a wink. “The day after, three different studios called to try and get the script,” says Werb. Face/Off began as Die Hard in a prison, partly inspired by the 1971 Attica Prison riot and partly inspired by the gangster classic White Heat, in which a federal agent goes undercover in a jailhouse to question James Cagney’s on-top-of-the-world criminal. In Face/Off, Cage and Travolta play mortal enemies: Cage is the cassock-wearing, backside-squeezing terrorist-for-hire Castor Troy (“I’m Castor Troy! WOOOO!”); Travolta is wounded, sourpuss FBI agent Sean Archer, whose son was killed by Troy years earlier in a botched assassination. So ludicrous is the concept of Face/Off that when Colleary and Werb pitched it to their agent, they were laughed out of the office. It wasn’t the sight of John Travolta with Cage’s own face grafted on – as happens when the actors trade places in the 1997 actioner Face/Off – but when Cage met a life-size replica of himself.

The actor said his 'substance abuse' had been 'grossly embellished' by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were 'plainly false'

“I pride myself on honesty… on truth. At the start of his evidence the actor said he was “obsessed with truth” and that he “did not deserve” to have the “heinous and disturbing” allegations levelled at him. The actor said had initially thought his relationship with Ms Heard had been “too good to be true” but had noticed things that “might be a bit of a dilemma at some point”. Mr Depp also admitted that he was “ashamed and embarrassed” by text messages he had sent previously, which contained abuse directed at Ms Heard, saying that in the “heat of the moment” he had gone to “dark places”. The actor said his “substance abuse” had been “grossly embellished” by Amber Heard and that many of her allegations were “plainly false.”

The actor first rose to fame with 21 Jump Street in 1987, before moving on to a successful Hollywood career in films such as Pirates of the Caribbean, Donnie ...

“[Depp’s mother] had the ability to be as cruel as anyone can be,” he said, noting that this also affected his siblings and father. In 1978, when Depp was 15, his parents divorced. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. “My mom liked to move a lot,” he said. He described his father, meanwhile, as “kind”, “shy” and “stoic”. It was also alleged in the court testimony that Depp’s father used to beat him with a belt at his mother’s behest. In 1997, he recalled to Hello! magazine that when he was 12, his parents were “always fighting”, and he “had hardly any contact with the outside world”.

The actor, 58, who will return to the stand today to face ex-wife Amber Heard's lawyers, told the court he 'believes that the film did pretty well'.

I thought that was a cowardly way for my father to have left. 'The psychological abuse was almost worse than the beatings,' Depp added. 'Talk to them, if you understand the repercussions of something you won't go there…give this some thought. Johnny said he 'felt something he should not have felt' during a kissing scene in the movie I took her car and drove to my father's work and sat down in front of him at 15. It can tend to get into…words are used for emphasis and words are used to express what you're feeling at the time. Johnny Depp gestures while giving testimony during the trial. 'I'm ashamed of some of the references made. I never wanted to tell my kids no. Much to the chagrin of Disney, initially.' He could say things that I could never say. He said: 'I've never taken any substance for a party.

Actor Johnny Depp is expected to return to the witness stand on Wednesday in a $50 million defamation case he said he brought to expose the truth about his ...

Depp’s lawyers have said they filed the case in Fairfax County, outside the District of Columbia, because the Washington Post is printed at a facility there. A London High Court judge ruled he had repeatedly assaulted Heard and put her in fear for her life. He filed a $50 million lawsuit against Heard in 2018. He wanted to correct the record about his behavior for himself and his children. "Truth is the only thing I’m interested in,” he added. In three hours of testimony in a Virginia courtroom on Tuesday, Depp said he and Heard argued, but he never struck her.

Depp is suing his ex-wife, Amber Heard, for $50 million in a libel case, after she wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post talking about her experience as a ...

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It was the fifth day of Johnny Depp's $50m defamation trial against ex-wife Amber Heard, and for the first time the Hollywood star took the stand to give ...

“The character of Captain Jack was more like a swashbuckler type that would swing in shirtless and be the hero.” Once you know the character better than the writers, that’s when you have to be true to the character and add your words.” The star said from the witness stand that his drug and alcohol use had been “an easy target” for the actress to hit after their marriage ultimately broke down. But I believe that the film did pretty well, apparently, and they wanted to keep going, making more and I was fine to do that,” he said. Because once you have trusted somebody for a certain amount of years and you have told them all the secrets of your life, that information can then, of course, be used against you.” “It’s not like you become that person, but if you know that character to the degree that I did – because he was not what the writers wrote, so they really weren’t able to write for him… “He remained a gentleman.” Start your Independent Premium subscription today. “He’s a good man.” Generally, it was me”. He said his mother seemed to “calm down” after taking some “nerve pills” and that he, at the age of 11, would take one as well because he wanted “to calm down” but he “didn’t know how to” and that he wanted to “escape feeling so much”. I just thought ‘Yep she could definitely kill me, that’s who Hunter wants.’”

The proceedings are taking place in Virginia's Fairfax County Courthouse. The news of Depp's testimony was first reported by Deadline's Dominic Patten and Ted ...

The trial is set to run for five weeks. It is also being run by other outlets. Depp will continue on the stand Wednesday for cross-examination, a source close to the actor’s team tells Deadline. Heard is scheduled to take the stand herself later in the proceedings.

Actor Johnny Depp has resumed his testimony in a Fairfax, Virginia court in his defamation case against his ex-wife Amber Heard.

She did not name Depp in the piece, but he claims it cost him lucrative film work. Depp, known for his work in the "Pirates of the Caribbean" franchise, is suing Heard for $50 million over a 2018 Washington Post op-ed in which she wrote about her experience with domestic abuse. In his roughly three-hour testimony on Tuesday, the Oscar-nominated star spoke in detail about Heard's allegations of domestic abuse, his history with substance abuse and his experiences growing up with an abusive mother.

The actor, who is suing Ms Heard for defamation in a US court, said she had a 'need for conflict' and 'couldn't be wrong'.

It could begin with a shove. “It could begin with a slap. He added: “Ms Heard was unable to be wrong.

Johnny Depp was back on the stand Wednesday to continue his testimony about how his relationship with ex-wife Amber Heard deteriorated.

Depp told the court that he hoped he could 'bring Amber around.' 'The Amber Heard I knew for the first year and a half was not this opponent, it wasn't my girl. On Tuesday Depp told the court of the moment his marriage to Heard fell apart. Johnny said he 'felt something he should not have felt' during a kissing scene in the movie It can tend to get into…words are used for emphasis and words are used to express what you're feeling at the time. 'I'm ashamed of some of the references made. 'That I was not prepared to take, I would not hear the words you're a terrible father, you're an awful father. 'If I continued to try to present my version or my side of the story, when you're approached in a kind of, with such anger and hatred. 'The Amber Heard I knew for the first year and a half was not this opponent, it wasn't my girl. 'Miss Heard in her frustration and her rage and her anger, she would strike out. He said: 'I've never taken any substance for a party. 'There's plenty wrong with me…but in all of these situations my main goal was to retreat because most important is pick your battles. That's also something that always lives in the back of your brain and you fear.

Depp made the comparison as he resumed testimony in his defamation trial on Wednesday.

In her 2018 op-ed, Ms Heard partly wrote that “like many women, I had been harassed and sexually assaulted by the time I was of college age. “She had the ability to be as cruel as anyone can be,” he said. The actor has accused Ms Heard of defaming him in a December 2018 Washington Post op-ed entitled: “I spoke up against sexual violence — and faced our culture’s wrath. During Tuesday’s testimony, Mr Depp described his mother as “very unpredictable” and said her feet were “on fire” - constantly feeling the need to move. And I know that sounds perverse and obtuse, but the fact is, some people search for weaknesses in people,” he said. “If there’s a dialogue between two people, both people need to speak.